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2016/11/09 09:13, Axel: 
Thanks Täpp, you made me smile. Your reaction was so innocent and exactly like people in charge -with the mass media they own- want it. And no, I was not thinking about any of your points when I said 'something does not feel right'. If it would have been this easy I would have stated it. And in contrary to you I really took time and gathered information about this person I would have to vote for and do not just reproduce what media puts into my mouth.

Still I think parties like AFD are created by the system to collect voters who turn their back to the old established parties. It has always been like that and I really wonder if it might be different now?!

Jadin, did you check out Christoph Hörstel for instance on YT?

2016/11/28 19:56, Arcanum:   
got children? beware.
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2017/01/12 09:04, Arcanum:   
any italians willing to share how is the situation in northern italy?

2017/01/12 10:12, Zepir:   
I hope they leave the EU as they want!

2017/02/09 08:08, Arcanum:   
“If you can't discuss the problem of crime among immigrants without somebody attributing it to racist propaganda, we are in deep trouble,'

a swedish cop posted what i have been telling here for some time: if you swedes are not personally raped or robbed by an immigrant yet, wont mean all is well in sweden. btw, sweden used to be the top second country in the world counting rapes per 100k inhabitants. are you first yet?

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2017/02/09 08:12, Zepir:   
Arcanum, I beat you to it. Posted this information on the Americuh thread, of course everyone their refuses to look at the data. BTW Sweden is number 1 for rapes in Europe. Join us in the other discussion :D

2017/02/09 09:28, Roadkill: 
We can put this here as well.

[submitted link]
Let google translate help you, if you don't know Danish. Anyway, it turns out the cop wasn't being entirely truthful. And that is the reason why he has been complained about to the authorities, not because he dared open his mouth about immigrants.

The Swedish prime minister is quoted at the bottom as saying 'of course police officers have the same freedom of expression as other citizens. But they, too, and even more than others, have to tell the whole truth, not just convenient bits of it'.

With strong right-wing nationalist winds blowing through Europe (and Sweden), it is no surprise that you can spot individuals from any walk of life who sympathize. But one's political persuasion can never be allowed to influence one in one's work as a public servant, as that is against the law.

2017/02/09 09:37, Zepir:   
Roadkill, I installed chrome and translated the page. I do not see anything about an ulterior motive, he was simply speaking honestly. He is not the only officer to come out. He is the first and many are following suite now. This is a real issue , he is completely correct how is what he saying an ulterior motive?

2017/02/09 09:43, Zepir:  edited 1x   
Literally I read the whole thing 2x now. How does this link disprove the evidence he brought forth? I am not really sure where you are going with this...... What he said still stands. Look at the statistics....... come on we cant pretend like this is not a huge problem in Sweden.

also watched that 11 minute long interview you linked, not sure what you were trying to prove through it?

2017/02/09 09:58, Roadkill: 
The prime minister's quote at the bottom says that he finds it 'very, very difficult to recognize the picture [being painted] that immigrant crimes take 100% of the resources of the Örebro police'.

And as that is spoken in Swedish politician mode, it translates into ordinary language as this: 'the gentleman is so far off the mark that he is unlikely to be able to spot it with a pair of big binoculars'.

Also note that the ones who speak out in unconditional support of the policeman's rant, are voters of Svenskdemokratarne, which is the local nationalist populistic party.

Inasmuch Sweden faces an actual problem, it is not the continued inability of xenophobic internet keyboard warriors to understand statistics and why it is not always possible to compare crime rates internationally (see a bit about that here: [submitted link]
), but that almost one in eight Swedes is blinkered enough to have voted for the Swedish Democrats in the last election.

2017/02/09 10:06, Zepir:   
Roadkill, that changes nothing, Sweden is still the rape capital of Europe. I am sorry but its a fact , I read the wiki page that you just linked 'rape in sweden'

In 2013, Forskning & Framsteg (Research & Progress) a Swedish popular science magazine published an article reporting that “The evidence suggests that group rapes in Sweden is increasing - despite the decline in violent crime in general.”[48] Research & Progress went on to report that, “The increase, which primarily occurred in the 2000s, may have to do with 'rape with more offenders' from 2004, classified as 'serious crime', which means that more obscure cases fall into this category.” Research & Progress magazine further reports that “National Council's investigator, Klara Hradilova-Selin, said that 'developments could at least partly be interpreted in terms of an actual increase.'”[48] Although there are a number of other important reasons why we are seeing more reports, such as, Klara Hradilova-Selin goes on to say, “more woman dare to go the police” and an “increased alcohol consumption”.[48] Finally Research & Progress goes on to report that in the 1990s “In the gang rape of three or more perpetrators 39 percent are foreign born.”[48] The statistics for gang rapes are not known after 2006.[48]

so?

2017/02/09 10:48, Zepir:  edited 8x   
so is this new police officer also a nationalist racist? You speak of nationalism as if its a bad thing.


[submitted link]
how many people will have to get raped until you see a problem Roadkill? how many more migrants streaming live rapes and raping little boys will it take for you to call it a problem?

can you also tell me how this helps the people of Sweden?

“The Swedish public has to be told all the facts now,” writes Åsenlöv, adding that Code 291 is used to hide “all information about the immigration-related crime,” including a ban on publicly releasing photos of migrant suspects.

how does hiding from the people this info accomplish anything?

also why did the police department block pictures of all the flowers people sent to these officers reporting the crimes? Why are more police coming out and sharing the same info? Is it some 'nationalist conspiracy'

Roadkill, Swedish people are generally very concerned about this. of course you have the minority of people like you who deny anything is happening but how can you explain away everything else? You cant. Its just your opinion at this point.

I have spent alot of time tonight read comments from Swedish people applauding these officers coming out , talking about how freedom of speech exists no longer in Sweden. How they are afraid for their own safety. What do you have to say about that? We are talking about a vast majority of Europeans now opposing mass immigration. .... there is a true concern and a true problem. I do not get how you can just shrug it all away as if nothing is happening, thousands of people are suffering and 3 year olds are getting anally gang raped by migrants...... frequently..... this is just so sad I cant believe how you just attribute someone to be a nationalist or racist simply because they are scared to death of these problems..... really sad to think about.

what do you say about this

A survey from Oslo shows that 9 out of 10 that will be convicted of violence against children have innvandrerbakgrunn. Some people have let themselves be surprise over that number is so high.

?

lets hear you explain away how 90 percent of crimes commited against children are immigrants
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seriously I want to hear you refute this Roadkill

I am afraid the statistics beat your irrational bias Roadkill

Norwegian Police Chief Says 'Xenophobia Is Highly Rational and Justified,' Cites Crime Stats


The officer also blasted the number of Norwegian children who had been raped by migrants, including an 'Afghan asylum seeker convicted of rape of a Norwegian child' and 'three Syrian asylum seekers charged with the rape of two Norwegian children'. Reinforcing the point, he cited a study in Oslo, the Norwegian capital, which found that '9 out of 10 who are convicted of violence against children have an immigrant background'.


take a look, I really look forward to hearing from you on this, please do not avoid it. I am asking really nicely you actually stick to the topic and address what I have brought up . It took me alot of time. I spent alot of time translating pages and watching interviews in other languages to hear your arguments now its time you actually respond to all this I just brought up. please?

2017/02/09 11:08, Roadkill: 
Okay, I'll try it one more time.

1) Sweden is the rape capital of Europe

No, it is not. We do not know if Sweden is the rape capital of Europe or not. No-one knows. Why? Let me try to explain.

If I count all the times someone says the word 'rape' in Sweden, and all the times someone is reported to the police in France for raping someone, can I compare these two numbers and claim I am comparing similar things?

No, I cannot.

And that is why nobody can know whether or not Sweden has more cases of actual rape than any other country in Europe - because:

a) rape is defined differently in Sweden (it counts as rape if you place your finger on another person's genitals or intimate area without consent)

b) rape is counted differently in Sweden than in other countries (if you tell the police your husband has beat you and raped you over a long period, they'll ask you to approximate how often. If you say 'a hundred times', they will enter 100 separate instances of rape into the national statistic

and

c) Sweden has seen a massive surge in public awareness of sex crimes, as a result of awareness campaigns. Such a surge is absolutely certain to have measurable effects with regard to an increase in instances of rape being reported. Please understand that this does not mean that more rapes are taking place than before, just that people are more likely to report them when they do. And any country which has not had a correspondingly massive public awareness campaign during the same period of time, will not see the same increase in reported rapes. This effect must be taken into account for any meaningful comparison to be possible.

2017/02/09 11:15, Zepir:  edited 1x   
what the fuck? You did not even read what I wrote did you, we are talking about Norway here...... Please Roadkill focus and go over my post one more time check the links, check the data check all that and respond to what I asked not some rant about Sweden that we have already been over , I know your opinion on Sweden, its a complete denial. What you responded is an opinion against actual and factual statistical data. I knew you would have nothing to say about the Norway stuff because its irrefutable. :) I knew you would do this you are so predicable , refusing to respond to my points and data and going off on a tangent.... classic Roadkill. Please respond to this Roadkill





what do you say about this

A survey from Oslo shows that 9 out of 10 that will be convicted of violence against children have innvandrerbakgrunn. Some people have let themselves be surprise over that number is so high.

?

lets hear you explain away how 90 percent of crimes commited against children are immigrants
[submitted link]



seriously I want to hear you refute this Roadkill

I am afraid the statistics beat your irrational bias Roadkill

Norwegian Police Chief Says 'Xenophobia Is Highly Rational and Justified,' Cites Crime Stats


The officer also blasted the number of Norwegian children who had been raped by migrants, including an 'Afghan asylum seeker convicted of rape of a Norwegian child' and 'three Syrian asylum seekers charged with the rape of two Norwegian children'. Reinforcing the point, he cited a study in Oslo, the Norwegian capital, which found that '9 out of 10 who are convicted of violence against children have an immigrant background'.


take a look, I really look forward to hearing from you on this, please do not avoid it. I am asking really nicely you actually stick to the topic and address what I have brought up . It took me alot of time. I spent alot of time translating pages and watching interviews in other languages to hear your arguments now its time you actually respond to all this I just brought up. please?

2017/02/09 11:51, Slampen:   
The answer could be that we Norwegian have stopped beating our children?

Some of the Muslim countries are on some points where we were a couple of hundred years ago.
-Women without escort is (almost) free to grab
-Beating children is still a common thing to as a part of raising children

Changes happen in different paces in different countries.
As with breastfeeding, abortion and topless bathing in USA.

Still the solution are not to close the borders.


2017/02/09 12:00, Zepir:  edited 2x   
Slampen, I am talking about rape not punishing your children. Roadkills stance is everything is fine and dandy and we should allow all immigrants in when the dats shows this is a very dangerous thing to do.

You are exactly right Slampen, I agree with you. Most Islamic cultures from 3rd world countries think its totally ok to chop off someones head who is gay etc, we are talking about importing a culture that is defnitly not ready for modern society. Why do we not spend money to help them integrate into Islamic countries that are more suitable? Saudi Arabia and Iran are taking 0 refugees. Why does no one care about this? We could spend way less money the figures are phenomenal on helping them get into countries that are Sharia law.

Here is a very good article on it

[submitted link]
I am not against immigration btw I want the US to take refugees but in a way that is much more careful and the vetting is taking seriously. Some of my best friends are refugees from Iraq.

2017/02/15 19:09, Arcanum:   
'Police officers were punched, kicked, and attacked with glass bottles in Stockholm'. I wonder didn't the policemen wear a rubber-band around wrist saying something silly like: dont kick me, please.

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2017/02/15 20:25, Zepir:   
Arcanum, these people are a lost cause , they want to see their civilizations burned down as long as no refugee feelings are heart, I have shown them police testimony after testimony and statistics they still think nothing is going on and there is no problem, these people are cult members they have no interest in facts or current events.

2017/02/15 21:22, Roadkill:edited 1x   
Newsflash: police officers are often involved in fracas while working.

Yes, even in the US.

2017/02/16 00:56, Zepir:   
Arcanum you wont get anywhere with these apologist, they wont be happy until their country is in ruins. At least then they can have a 'good feeling' about helping the invasion. They will be like the Romans, celebrating and partying as the town gets sacked by barbarians and relish in the death the barbarians bring.

no matter how much data , evidence and statistics they simply state its not happening. Pretty sad the cult mentality they reside in.

2017/02/16 01:17, Merarl:edited 1x   
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2017/02/22 19:56, Arcanum:   
Refugees Will Cost Sweden $32.7 Billion This Year—16x Over-Budget—Only 500 Have Jobs
[submitted link]
just trolling poor socialists here

2017/02/22 20:24, Zepir:   
[submitted link]

2017/02/22 21:16, Roadkill: 
Arcanum: I tried to find some truth, or even just accuracy, in that article, without luck.

Hint: any article you find, which erroneously mentions 'no-go' zones in Sweden, is 99,997% likely to contain more factual errors than just that one.


2017/02/23 16:08, Arcanum:   
Roadkill, i'v' got a joke to tell: elin krantz got mixed up pretty bad.

karma is a bitch, ain't it?



350 USD per invader per night. (in some places 700)
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2017/02/23 17:10, Britney: 
Sure there are no 'no-go' zones but there are zones where police won't go with only one patrol :) Just last weekend they had to use guns to escape mob throwing em with stones after some drug arrest. Mob then continued to burn few cars and trash few places etc. Everything is just fine in beautiful sweden it seems :)

2017/02/23 17:22, Zepir:   
il post this here to , I copied and pastied all if you wanna check the sources they on the 'Americuh Forum' all verified BTW


The Truth about Sweden, let me summarize a bunch of facts about Sweden

(I challenge you to look up every one of these claims as they are 100 percent verifiable

Sweden is so safe the Turkish government had to put up warnings for citizens not to travel there to due to the massive rapes


Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that when television crews go to visit them to prove they are safe, they are all attacked by migrants

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that film makers fear for their lives as they are assaulted on the street

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that ambulance workers are demanding riot gear to go anywhere near them

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that Swedish citizens are demanding bullet proof vests while the government bans them

Sweden is so safe that it has no go zones that police have to escort ambulances to ensure their safety

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that in some areas meter maids have just stopped going

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that maintenance companies have refused to service customers that live there and have left Malmo

Sweden's migrant suburbs are so safe that some Somali's wish to return home because their violence ridden homeland is safer according to them

Swedens migrant suburbs are so safe that Malmo is referred to as Swedens Chicago, its one of the most dangerous cities in the whole of western europe with a murder
rate higher then Paris and London. Malmo has a foreign population of 43 percent where areas like Rosengard are 90 percent Muslim

Swedens migrant suburbs are so safe that immigrant led riots and mass burning of cars is common place

42 Year old Police Veteran Chief Torstein says that migrants represent a vast majority of crimes comitted and people arrested,
he also said explosions and grenade attacks are routine as a form of intimidation

Swedes are so pleased with the impact of mass immigration that the far right anti immigrant swedens democrat has risen from relative obscuirty to beocming #1 in the polls, if there
is no problem with mass immigration why has their support doubled?


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that 53 percent of prisoners serving long term sentences in Sweden have a foreign background


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that veteran police officer Peter Springer said that almost every person they arrest is of Islamic background


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that fewer then 500 out of 163,000 immigrants from 2016 are employed


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that half of all jobless are foreigners


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that 58 percent of welfare payments go to migrants


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that ISIS flags have been legalized and returning Jihadist are being considered for welfare payments


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that migrants are raping women at anti-racism festivals using Tahrush Gamea, raping in large groups
attacks are so common that bands refuse to play in Sweden one being Mumford and Sons


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that pre school kids are playing ISIS games


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that the words pray to allah or die alongside an ISIS flag was spray painted on the side of a school


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that an ISIS supported was employed as an immigration officer


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that lethal violence is up 29 percent since 2014, Sex crimes have doubled since 2012, gun violence has increased 84 percent in the last 9 years


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that they have stopped reporting on the ethnicity of people in crimes


Integration of immigrants in Sweden is so successful that a 2005 report showed immigration to be vastly over represented in crime stats and immigrants were 5.5x more likely to commit rape then normal Swedish citizens

so because Trump does not use a teleprompter and does not have his words written for him and made an error of speech about 'last night in Sweden' that means Sweden is totally safe and
does not have a problem with massive immigration? Trumps only mistake was to specify one night in Sweden, this is happening almost every night and the Islamist aligned left wont tell you about
it because it shatters their utopian idea that immigration works, Sweden is a terrifying warning for Europe and the US to not follow, this is why Brexit happened and why Trump was elected.

Case closed, final nails in the coffin.

Statistics cited can be found at the following links:
[submitted link]

[submitted link]
Sweden: Migrants are responsible for 95% of all crimes, overrepresented by +430%

2017/02/23 20:41, Roadkill: 
Oh, the lolz.

I printed this last bit out to hang up on the joke board at work. My Swedish colleague is going to have a good laugh. :-)

2017/02/23 20:43, Zepir:   
laugh all you want its raw data. Go look at the sources in the other page.

2017/02/23 20:53, Roadkill: 
Sorry, you don't get it.

2017/02/26 19:27, Axel: 
I found this video quite interesting:

Trump and The Truth about Sweden by Angry Foreigner
[submitted link]

2017/02/26 19:45, Roadkill: 
Yes, he's a Sweden Democrat, so he's not quite as neutral and objective as he wants to appear. And the stats still disagree with him.

I found this interesting:

[submitted link]
And for me, this is the real threat. The cost of xenophobia and the hateful rhetoric attack on democracy.



2017/02/27 17:51, Axel: 
Yes I agree. I suppose such outcome is wanted by the people in charge.

2017/03/01 17:39, Arcanum:   
i wonder whom could a brain-dead socialist consider to be trustworthy... an union leader perhaps?

[submitted link]



OOOOPS......

2017/03/01 18:37, Zepir:  edited 2x   
Arcanum you could give these commie idealist any amount of evidence and they will still praise mass migration , its deep deep indoctrination that would not even be broken by them say getting raped by migrants at the time of their statements that 'migration is not a problem' we love the mass rapes and crime waves!

Police statistics from the government do not phase these apologist

Police chief testimonies to not appease them

10 different independent media investigation sending reporters who get attacked and kicked out of the no go zones don't appease them.

live hand grenades being found is common place in Malmo and explosions that does not phase them

77 percent of rapes being committed by a 2 percent muslim minority does not phase them

literally nothing can pierce through the indoctrination and idiocy that the left is continuing to push.

its a waste of time trying to open the eyes of people who have had their eye lids stapled shut by propaganda and virtuous feeling.

proof of extreme indoctrination in the democratic party, democrats boo at trumps proposal to give a voice to victims of immigration crime

[submitted link]
more proof the left is heavily indoctrinated, democrats boo at trumps proposal to give a voice to victims of immigration crime

2017/03/02 03:02, Ohdear:   
[submitted link]

2017/03/03 00:29, Beradur:    -Zepir- 
[submitted link]


Rape of the west, migrants destroy nations

2017/03/08 22:50, Zepir:  edited 1x   
HAHAh Arcanum this ones for you, poor war torn refugees in Germany riot over cell phone signal, the poor war torn bastards

[submitted link]


This is truly outrageous.

Can you believe Germans are providing these people with free cell phones, food and housing — and yet they won’t provide them with a solid phone signal???

Have you Germans no shame?

2017/03/09 01:11, Zepir:  edited 7x   
so a fully independent war time correspondent who has been to many places in the globe covering dangerous events that most would not cover, took a challenge to go to Sweden because its seen as a dangerous place , well he went and went to some of the worst places here is his completely unbias report and its amazing, he talked to many officials and recorded it, you should really check it out Tim Pool

His conclusion, Trump was right about Sweden, this is a great summary of his report.

BTW he has on tape manipulation by the Swedish media that is completely shown and refuted in his footage, pretty scary Sweden is working so hard to silence the truth.


You guys cannot claim a bias on this guy, he literally responded to an online challenge to send reporters to Sweden if they think its so safe and he you can see everything he went through in Sweden, truly eye opening report.
[submitted link]
This guy provides a true example of how Swedish media is manipulating and censoring these events

this guy recorded his whole trip and undoubtedly proves this manipulation, you can compare their statements to his footage he took.

Roadkill, I urge you to watch this and maybe even his whole trip because this guy has no bias at all and interviews many Swedish officials and locals in the 'no go zones' which as he put is not actually a no go zone its a colloquial term for areas of high crime.

I really like this guys report because he voices the opinions of both sides and gives an honest representation, I would like to see your reaction of it Roadkill.

He has got an interview with an ex-policeman who now works with refugee children, what he says is pretty good and in no way right wing. He is also Afghani. Seriously its really worth seeing and his position is certainly unique and his background. It outlines alot of the things I have discussed about the issue with the clash of cultures.

[submitted link]

2017/05/25 14:16, Arcanum:   
'The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam'

Any1 read it?

[submitted link]

2017/06/11 00:50, Zepir:   
Arcanum, do you not have any comments how rape is essentially being legalized for migrants. They are now claiming in court they had 'sexual emergencies' and literally are being handed sentences comparative to that of a normal assault eg non sexual


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2017/09/13 22:00, Arcanum:   
How are our brainwashed socialists doing? How are they copeing? Negating, I assume...


Swedish Police 'Cannot Cope' With Huge Numbers Of Rapes Since Migrants Arrived

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